{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"60015931","dateCreated":"1345614239","smartDate":"Aug 21, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KELSEYM6","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KELSEYM6","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1317175748\/KELSEYM6-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/mhsap2012.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/60015931"},"dateDigested":1532653231,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Contrasts","description":"Something that I've noticed is that Mary Shelley uses contrasts as a motif in the novel. These contrasts appear throughout the novel in many different ways. Frankenstein is a genius to be able to create life, but is driven insane by his scientific work. When first describing the monster, Frankenstein contrasts its white straight teeth and its murky dead eyes. Frankenstein is repulsed by the monster yet feels responsible for its actions, even calling himself the murderer of the monster's victims (&quot;Two I have already destroyed; other victims await their destiny&quot; (167).) There is another contrast between the monster's eyes and Clerval's eyes when Frankenstein becomes ill after Clerval's death. Clerval's eyes are described as &quot;expressive&quot; and &quot;languising in death&quot; while the monster's are described as &quot;watery&quot; and &quot;clouded&quot; (172). How does everyone else feel these contrasts enhance the novel?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"55897455","body":"Frankenstein's quest since his introduction to the novel was to find a way to overcome death and bring life to inanimate and once animated objects. Once he finds a way to do this, the object of his quest (what should have been his reward) ultimately turns into his curse and downfall. I also noticed that the mood and tone change with the events in the story. Lightning appears whenever the monster is incorperated into the plot. It was a stormy night the night the monster was created and lightning brought it to life. Once the monster is gone, everything is bright until it strikes again: &quot;a figure which stole from behind a clump of tees... [and] lightning illuminated the object, and discovered its shape... its gigantic stature... the filthy demon to whom I had given life&quot; (60). Frankenstein makes a contrast between the monster and humans meaning he doesn't think his creation is human. I agree that contrast inhances themes such as companionship in the novel.","dateCreated":"1345654580","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"MEGANY2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MEGANY2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"60010579","dateCreated":"1345501007","smartDate":"Aug 20, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KATIEB19","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KATIEB19","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/mhsap2012.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/60010579"},"dateDigested":1532653231,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Frankenstein and Never Let Me Go connections","description":"Throughout the two novels, I found a lot of similarities between the monster and the clones. They are both treated as social outcasts, barred off from society and the acceptance of normal human beings: &quot;The village was roused; some fled, some attacked me...&quot; (Shelley 74). The monster whenever in contact with humans is treated with hostility and fear, much as the clones are treated by the outside world as well as their teachers. Miss Emily told Kathy and Tommy, &quot;We're all afraid of you. I myself had to fight back my dread of you almost everyday I was at Hailsham&quot; (Ishiguro 246). The clones, although they did have more human interaction and were not feared for their apperance, were also feared and &quot;dreaded.&quot; I found the connection most interesting, that although both were created by man to mimic human beings, they are treated with such hostility and repulsion and are feared. Has anyone else found any connections between the monster and the clones or even the novels itself?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"55871807","body":"I noticed the same thing while reading through the two. I'll add that the clones and the monster both were, of course, man-made, then handed off to a completely different group entirely to learn the ways of the world through imitation, in a way. For example, the clones immediately (or soon) after creation were brought to Hailsham to learn how society functions and essentially grow up through the examples of the guardians and the older students. Similarly, Frankenstein's monster, soon after being created, was thrown out into the world to fend for himself. He quickly learned to feed himself and provide sustenance, but to become &quot;human&quot; he had to learn from the family in the cottage. He followed their example to become a mimic of society. This brings up another similarity  -- both the clones and the monster mimic society only. Neither were ever meant to integrate with it, no matter what Frankenstein or the guardians at Hailsham said.","dateCreated":"1345519768","smartDate":"Aug 20, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"JACOBK7","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/JACOBK7","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1331503750\/JACOBK7-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55882751","body":"I also found a connection between the monster and the clones. I think what JACOBK7 said is very interesting about how both the monster and the clones were created to only mimic society. However, another connection I found between the two novels is about the dangers of aquriring knowledge. In Never Let Me Go, the guardians at Hailsham wanted to shelter the students to give them their childhoods and not give them all the information and knowledge about their futures (268). And in Frankenstein, Victor Frankenstein warns the reader: &quot;Learn from me, if not by my precepts, at least by my example how dangerous is the acquirement of knowledge, and how much happier that man is who believes his native town to be the world, than he who aspires to become greater than his nature will allow&quot; (51).","dateCreated":"1345585814","smartDate":"Aug 21, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"ALLIS22","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ALLIS22","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55884245","body":"I agree with what Alli said about knowledge being dangerous. When the monster was created, his lack of knowledge made him a nonexistent threat. However, as he picked up on human emotions, ways of life and language, he was able to express his concern at not having what others could have. The knowledge made the monster more devious and allowed him to take out the things that Frankenstein loved most. <br \/>\n<br \/>\nAs the clones in Never Let Me Go became older, they learned more and more about how things work in the real world outside of Hailsham. Their knowledge of how normal people lived began to have an effect on their lives. When Kathy and Tommy found out about the deferrals, they focused on trying to prove that they were in love. They found out that the deferrals don't exist, they were devastated. Their knowledge caused them to be emotionally hurt.","dateCreated":"1345593333","smartDate":"Aug 21, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"ZACHD3","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ZACHD3","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55884323","body":"I agree that Frankenstein compares to the clones of Hailsham because they are both feared by humans and feel as if they are out-casts to the rest of the world. In the novel, Frankenstein mentions being &quot;miserable and abandoned&quot; because humans are afraid of him. Just as in Never Let Me Go Kathy feels Miss Emily's fear of them and can sense there is something different about the Hailsham students. Both characters seem to feel angry and almost have a sense of self-pity about the fact that they aren't human and can't seem to be treated the same as humans.","dateCreated":"1345593778","smartDate":"Aug 21, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"JENNAG4","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/JENNAG4","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55888333","body":"I agree with all these connections too. I found what JACOBK7 said about how neither of them were ever meant to integrate with society really interesting. Although they were created to mimic society, no one ever accepts them. Also I found the dangers of knowledge point also interesting. In both novels the more they learn about their condition, the more corrupt they become; the monster turns to violence and the clones search for answers which only hurt them.","dateCreated":"1345606464","smartDate":"Aug 21, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KATIEB19","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KATIEB19","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55894375","body":"I agree with the connections, but the difference between the the two novels is that the clones in Never Let Me Go accept their role in society and are content with with their lives, and the monster in Frankenstein full on takes on the role of the monster and becomes violent. The characters in each novel cope differently with their situations.","dateCreated":"1345640894","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"SHANET14","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SHANET14","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55895241","body":"I disagree that the clones accepted their situation.  If they had just accepted their situation they would never have wished for better lives, and the rumors of defferals and the gallery would never have arose. I think it is more that they were just helpless to do anything about it. The same thing can be said about the monster in Frankenstein. He tried to 'escape' his loneliness by having victor craft him a mate, but when Victor would not he was helpless to do anything about it.","dateCreated":"1345646207","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"JAMESK48","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/JAMESK48","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55897341","body":"Both novels pose interesting questions about creation, science vs. religion, and our role in this world.  There are some things in life that simply cannot be completely explained by science.  I like to think of those things as miracles.  Life, and our existence, is one of the greatest miracles.  In &quot;Never Let Me Go&quot; and &quot;Frankenstein&quot;, humans try to manipulate the miracle of creation.  In both novels, the clones' and the monster's behavior strikingly resemble our own, causing us to really question the humanity of tampering with nature in this manner.","dateCreated":"1345654170","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"LAURAF9","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/LAURAF9","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55903589","body":"I agree with LAURAF9 and the fact that in both novels the main characters are similar to our own.  Another thing to point out is the fact that in both novels how the clones and the monster both wanted something more but in the end were both left leading almost the same lives as they lead before. Perhaps this is teaching us that when we desire for greater things, sometimes unrealistic things, we do not always get what we wish for.<br \/>\nPrime example from Frankenstein: &quot;You must create a female for me with whom I can live in the interchange of those sympathies necessary for my being&quot; (Shelley 97).","dateCreated":"1345670020","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KatieN23","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KatieN23","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55905087","body":"Frankenstein and Never Let Me Go also both have a connection in the sense that both the monster and the clones were created in order to help society. Victor Frankenstein's purpose was to &quot;renew life where death had apparently devoted the body to corruption&quot; (39) to possibly use in the future to help people who are dying. In Never Let Me Go the clones are created to donate their organs and save the lives of those in need. When you think about it, in both cases, the beings were created in order to help; however, also in both cases they ended up being very inhumane and unsuccessful for the clones and the monster.","dateCreated":"1345676622","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"CAYLAM1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/CAYLAM1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55908511","body":"The aspect of clones, animating the non-living, and manipulation of life in general is definitely a very significant connection between the two novels. It really highlights the fact that society has a hard time dealing with this 'god-like' power to control life. In each novel the society's view is sort of at different ends of the spectrum. In Frankenstein, everybody wants the creature killed, because it is unnatural, and it is seen as a 'monster'. But in Never Let Me Go, the clones\/'students' are simply not thought of by the regular people, as Ms. Emily said towards the end of the book. People do not want to know what happens to them, only that they are helping cure cancer and what not. I think that a point that both of the authors try to make is that anything with human intelligence, man-made and organic both, are bound to have feelings, and if created, should be treated equally. Or not created at all.","dateCreated":"1345687293","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"JAMESB00","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/JAMESB00","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1288998772\/JAMESB00-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"60009219","dateCreated":"1345472735","smartDate":"Aug 20, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"TYLERV1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/TYLERV1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/mhsap2012.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/60009219"},"dateDigested":1532653231,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Justification ","description":"Even though the monster is evil and a murderer. He still feels that his actions are justified and that it is all because of Frankenstien, which is why he seeks revenge on him obviously. &quot;I am malicious because I am miserable. You, my creator, would tear me to pieces, and triumph; remember that, and tell me why I should pity man more than he pities me?&quot;(173). But is the moster justified, or does he have the right to be angry and seek revenge?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"55862169","body":"I don't think any one is justified to murder but I can see the reasoning for his revenge. From the start of his birth he was rejected by his own father. Even though he is hideous and his size makes him threatening, he never tried to hurt any one yet people still tried to murder him. All he ever wanted was love and to be accepted.","dateCreated":"1345473739","smartDate":"Aug 20, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"ERINJ2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ERINJ2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55866859","body":"I agree with Erin. I believe that the monster could have caused despair and heartache in Frankenstein's life in many other ways rather than murdering everyone he so dearly loved. Though I think this, I believe the monster is justified in feeling revenge and hatred towards his creator. Frankenstein created his monster for his own self regardless of what would happen to his creation after it came into existence. After creating him, Frankenstein abandoned him and left him to learn about the human race on his own. Frankenstein knew that he had created a monster and that no one would open their hearts and minds up enough to accept the monster into their own race. The monster lived in loneliness and was isolated from the rest of the human race, living a sad life. All he wanted was a companion, and Frankenstein failed to give it to him.","dateCreated":"1345497832","smartDate":"Aug 20, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"OLIVIAB14","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/OLIVIAB14","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1312132500\/OLIVIAB14-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55871831","body":"Nothing matters in the monster's life to him -- all he desires is something to love that will actually love him in return. Being denied that he has no choice but to dwell on his own anger and thus end up destroying the things other people love, in an attempt to reduce them to his own state. This, ironically, is an entirely human reaction to that situation...","dateCreated":"1345519951","smartDate":"Aug 20, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"JACOBK7","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/JACOBK7","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1331503750\/JACOBK7-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55878108","body":"I like the point that Jacob makes.  The monster's reaction is the same reaction that any human would have toward this situation.  Humans desire to love and be loved, and when that doesn't happen, we get angry, upset, and sometimes consider revenge, whether it be small-scale or something more extreme like the monster.  <br \/>\nWe all have things that we are passionate about, and the monster has his mind set on Frankenstein creating a female for him.  <br \/>\n&quot;You must create a female for me, with whom I can live in the interchange of those sympathies necessary for my being.  This you alone can do; and I demand it of you as a right which you must not refuse to concede&quot; (Shelley 104).  <br \/>\nI think it's interesting that he later explains that he &quot;is malicious because [he is] miserable,&quot; shunned and hated by all, so hated that his own creator would tear him to pieces if he could.  In his mind, why should he respect humans if they hate him and want to kill him? (Shelley 104).  <br \/>\nHis reaction is very humanlike and his desire for revenge is probably justified, but his hunger for murder is over the top.  Unfortunately as a monster created by a scientist, how can he know any better?","dateCreated":"1345561828","smartDate":"Aug 21, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KATHERINEA2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KATHERINEA2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1289436703\/KATHERINEA2-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55883599","body":"I agree with what Jacob is saying. The monster only wants one thing from life, someone to love that will love him back, and since he does not have it, he is not happy and doesn't want other people have what he can't have. More than anything he is mad at Frankenstien because he has the power to give the monster what he wants and refuses to do so. He wants Frankenstien to feel how he feels so he kills the ones Frankenstien loves most. However, the monster knows that killing people is wrong and therefore I don't think he is justified in doing so.","dateCreated":"1345589935","smartDate":"Aug 21, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"MADISONL18","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MADISONL18","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55885483","body":"I feel like the monster is not justified in his hatred toward humans.  Since his creator refuses to give him a creature that will love him back, and humans refuse to love the monster at all, he hates all humans.  I believe that the monster would be justified in killing his creator, as he is directly preventing the monster from being happy, but there is no justification for killing other innocent people just for being happy or making his creator happy.","dateCreated":"1345597770","smartDate":"Aug 21, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"ANDREWB18","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ANDREWB18","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55895313","body":"I don't think the monster was justified in killing anyone. While the whole deal with the cottagers couldn't have been avoided, perhaps Victor would have been more sympathetic if the Monster had not murdered his friends\/family.","dateCreated":"1345646457","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"JAMESK48","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/JAMESK48","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55896341","body":"The monster was not justified to commit murder, because no one is. However, he was deserving of justice. His mode was revenge, but I don't entirely blame the monster for his actions. At the end of the book, he (the monster) says, &quot;I was the slave, not the master, of an impulse [vengeance] which I detested yet could not disobey,&quot; (Shelley 328). The monster, who calls himself the master of Frankenstein, is not the master of his own emotions. He hates his creator because his, &quot;heart was fashioned to be susceptible to love and sympathy, and when wrenched by misery to vice and hatred, it did not endure the change...&quot; (Shelley 327). The monster did not deserve to be created to be despised, but because he was, he feels justified in the killing of his creator's happiness. He murders Frankenstein's chance at happiness because he has not even a chance, because of Frankenstein.","dateCreated":"1345650916","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"JOELK3","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/JOELK3","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55896919","body":"I agree with the point Jacob is making. The monster's actions are not justified because murder is obiviously wrong in so many ways. But when you think about it, what the monster did isn't to far from what teenagers do all the time, just more extreme. For example, if a teenager doesn't have a lot of confidence in themselves, they take away other people's confidence to make themselves feel better. The monster knew know one loved him, so he decided to take away other people's loved ones so that he could have people understand his pain.","dateCreated":"1345652783","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"ALEXANDRIAC1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ALEXANDRIAC1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55897311","body":"The monster's want of revenge is justifiable, but the way he goes about getting it isn't.  But if you put yourself in the monters point of view you can see how difficult it would be.  He is the only of his kind, he is not loved or cared for by anyone that he has interacted with.  Everyone that saw him immediately despised him.  He had no one to talk to and no one to share any experiences with.","dateCreated":"1345654086","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"HUNTERS2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/HUNTERS2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55897393","body":"I agree with Jacob. Frankenstein left the monster to be on his own and try to live without any help. Because he couldn't make any friends or even talk to anyone, he wanted to make the person who caused that feel the same way he did: no friends, no family, and destroy his life. Wanting to make someone feel the same way you do is a basic human trait that doesn't need to be learned or taught which is why the monster went that route.","dateCreated":"1345654351","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"MITCHC23","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MITCHC23","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55904233","body":"Does Frankenstein have proper justification for his actions regarding Justine? He says, &quot;A thousand times rather would I have confessed myself guilty of the crime ascribed to Justine; but I was absent when it was committed, and such a declaration would have been considered as the ravings of a madman, and would not have exculpated her who suffered through me.&quot; (73)<br \/>\n<br \/>\nBasically he thinks that since his confession will accomplish nothing, it is not worth doing. Yet the guilt is eating him alive, so I think he came up with this just to save himself from both the consequences and the public knowledge of his mistake.","dateCreated":"1345672929","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"PATRICKMc1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/PATRICKMc1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":1}]},{"id":"60005421","dateCreated":"1345333834","smartDate":"Aug 18, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"MIRANDASH","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MIRANDASH","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1338145797\/MIRANDASH-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/mhsap2012.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/60005421"},"dateDigested":1532653234,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Confusing Frankenstein with the Monster","description":"This may just be me, but I often found myself confusing who the narrator of the novel was from time to time. I understand that the narrator switches from the monster to Frankenstein, but there are times where I would read a huge chunk from Frankensteins point of view, to find out the monster has actually been telling the story. <br \/>\n<br \/>\nI could just be really dumb, and looking back there are signifiers that should have raised a red flag &quot;hey dummy, it's the monster talking&quot;. But I think the reason why I confused them is because they do genuinely seem to be one person. The monster, in many cases, reflects Frankenstein's personality. It wasn't until the monster talks about strangling a boy with a picture of a beautiful girl in his coat pocket that I realize what is actually going on. <br \/>\n<br \/>\nWhat do you guys think? Am I just being silly for not realizing who is who, or is there a deeper connection between Frankenstein and the monster?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"55879534","body":"just you","dateCreated":"1345569344","smartDate":"Aug 21, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"RUSSELLH3","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/RUSSELLH3","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55883681","body":"Well, I personally felt it was pretty easy to distinguish who was who when I was reading, but to each his own I guess. Anyway, as the story went on, it did become harder to distinguish who was the real monster. Frankenstein became increasingly monster-like towards the end and never relented in attempting to get his revenge on the monster. The monster himself also became more savage toward the end, killing the ones that Frankenstein loved and purposefully taunting him while Frankenstein was on his last legs. If neither character chose to pursue revenge for the events that occurred earlier in the book, it's quite possible that Frankenstein and the monster could have led separate lives and not devolved into chaotic, revenge-seeking monsters.","dateCreated":"1345590437","smartDate":"Aug 21, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"ZACHD3","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ZACHD3","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55894161","body":"I got confused trying to distinguish between the two at some points thoughout the novel, but I agree with ZACHD3, for the most part it was easy for me to tell who was who. I also agree that it seemed like Frankenstein and the monster almost switched roles, if you will, towards the end of the novel.","dateCreated":"1345639879","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"SHANET14","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SHANET14","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55896793","body":"It's not just you. i totally got confused at times too. I had to keep stopping and back tracking because i would think the monster was talking, then half way through i was wrong. I think the monster and Victor are simular in styles, expecially the way they speak. It would have been easier if the monster maybe had a different tone or voice.","dateCreated":"1345652267","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"ALEXANDRIAC1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ALEXANDRIAC1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55900215","body":"I think Shelley made it somewhat confusing on purpose. In my mind, it helps to reinforce her point that Frankenstein and his creation are not all that dissimilar. This is a point that is made early on with Walton and his letters. Walton talks about how lonely he is and how he desires a companion. This comes back later in the novel as the monster expresses his loneliness and desire for a mate. I think one of the biggest, if not the biggest, themes in the story is how there is a fine line between man and monster.","dateCreated":"1345657333","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"ALEXANDERF1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ALEXANDERF1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55901017","body":"I also got confused as to who was narrating at some points in the novel. I agree with Alex, I believe Shelley wants the reader to realize that Victor and the monster are similar to each other, such as their longing for knowledge. The monster wants to know the reason for his existance and Victor's use of knoweldge in creating the monster. However, there are many distinct points in the novel where it is not so hard to tell who is narrating.","dateCreated":"1345660224","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"HAYLIEC1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/HAYLIEC1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55903249","body":"I agree with what Haylie C. said because, I think that Shelly intentionally made it so that it was a bit confusing at some points if Victor or the monster was talking but this made it more intereting because doing it this way to me seemed like the author wanted to parallel the two more.","dateCreated":"1345668545","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KatieN23","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KatieN23","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"55793920","dateCreated":"1345043013","smartDate":"Aug 15, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"CHARLOTTES29","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/CHARLOTTES29","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1317169643\/CHARLOTTES29-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/mhsap2012.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/55793920"},"dateDigested":1532653235,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Frankenstein vs. Monster","description":"Okay, so I have been reading up on literary criticisms for Frankenstein and everything. I found that in most of them they bring up the question as to who is the real antagonist or bad guy in this novel. Frankenstein or his monster? I personally think that Frankenstein is the one at fault for the deaths of his family and friends because he is the one who carelessly made this creature and then abandoned him.&quot;I beheld the wretch- the miserable monster whom i had created&quot; (57) Although the monster is literally the one killing or causing the deaths of these people, he is only doing this to get the attention of his creator similar to a forgotten child misbehaving to get their workaholic parents to notice them. I think Frankenstein is to blame for it all because he did not think about any repercussions to his actions which eventually lead to his own demise.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"55861895","body":"I agree with Luke in the Dr. Frankenstien is the protagonist. I think that people want to see the monster at the protagonist because they have sympathy and feel sorry for him because he was abondoned and is rejected by all the people he meets. Although this is all true and does make it seem like the monster is not at fault, as Luke said all of his actions are done to hurt Frankenstien. This proves the monster as the protagaonist because it is based on actions and the monster only killed while Frankenstein attempted to fix his mistakes.","dateCreated":"1345472075","smartDate":"Aug 20, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"TYLERV1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/TYLERV1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55866457","body":"I found it interesting how the monster gave Frankenstein a choice in Chapter 10 of how life would go on between them. He says, &quot;If you will comply with my conditions, I will leave them and you at peace; but if you refuse, I will glut the maw of death, until it be satiated with the blood of your remaining friends&quot; (86). At this point in the novel, I felt as though the monster was taking the role of the leader in their relationship. I think Frankenstein, as the creator, should have had power over the monster, but at this point, he lives in fear of his own creation. Though I felt sympathy for the monster when he was telling his story, I agree that Dr. Frankenstein is the protagonist in the novel due to the fear he develops of his own creation. After Frankenstein's monster threatens him, Dr. Frankenstein must live in despair and continuous worry for the people he so dearly loves. I find it hard to feel sympathy for the monster when he makes Frankenstein feel this way. Frankenstein loses his happiness and the people he loves all due to an innocent experiment that went wrong. He did not expect the human race, especially himself, to think of his creation as a monster. The monster kills innocent people from Frankenstein's social circle after Frankenstein has tried to oblige to what the monster wanted him to do, but in fear of having two destructive monsters under his own creation, cannot continue the work. He fears for the rest of the human race, a brave thing to do when he knows what is at risk.","dateCreated":"1345495596","smartDate":"Aug 20, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"OLIVIAB14","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/OLIVIAB14","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1312132500\/OLIVIAB14-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55883151","body":"I think that while Frankenstien made a mistake by creating the monster and that after he created the monster he should not have abandoned him, he is not really the bad guy. Frankenstien did not realize that he was creating a monster and was horrified when he realized he had. The monster on the other hand killed multiple people. Whether he did it to get revenge on Frankenstien for abandoning him or just because he was lonely, he still made the choice to be a killer even though he knew it was wrong. Therefore I think the monster was the true bad guy.","dateCreated":"1345587384","smartDate":"Aug 21, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"MADISONL18","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MADISONL18","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55884465","body":"Dr. Frankenstein was at fault because he brought the monster into this world and then ran away in fear. When Victor saw the monster he described him as,&quot;Gigantic stature, and the deformity of its aspect, more hideous than belongs to humanity, instantly informed me that it was the wretch, the filthy demon to whom I had given life&quot;(68)  If he hadn't of ran maybe then the monster wouldn't have killed so many people. The hate, loneliness, and rejection the monster felt made him act the way he did.","dateCreated":"1345594389","smartDate":"Aug 21, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"HANNAHU95","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/HANNAHU95","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55899619","body":"I agree with hannah.  If Frankenstein wouldn't have abandoned the monster then he wouldn't have gone and done all those horrible things.  The monster just wated someone to share a conversation with. I don't think that he had to have love or care,  but at least acceptance.  When his creator can't even stand the presenece of what he created then no one will be able to accept the monster.","dateCreated":"1345655000","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"HUNTERS2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/HUNTERS2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55899713","body":"It's hard to blame one more than the other. The monster did do all the killing, but Frankenstein, by not taking care of his creation, let the moster be that way. Frankenstein did have the opportunity to please the monster but I think he made the right move in not doing so because who knows what two monsters would have done. They could have killed twice as many people or go live and die in a cave with no more problems. Frankenstein knew that and he didn't want to take that chance. They are equally at fault.","dateCreated":"1345655518","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"NICHOLASW8","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/NICHOLASW8","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55899899","body":"I don't think the blame lies with either of them. Both Frankenstein and the monster reacted as most of us would. When faced with a creature truly horrifying, Frankenstein fled as many of us would do. He never intended to create such a horrible thing. Alternatively, when faced with hatred and rejection, the monster reacted again as many of us would, by seeking revenge against those who show him hatred. I don't think the novel is a commentary on the virtues of Frankenstein and the monster, but rather an observation on human nature.","dateCreated":"1345656443","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"ALEXANDERF1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ALEXANDERF1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55900669","body":"I agree that Victor is at fault for the tragic events of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. It's hard to say because I really like him, but he is the creator of the monster and initially takes no responsibility for it. &quot;I sought to avoid the wretch whom I feared every turning of the street would present to my view&quot; (50). Victor literally is running from his sins in the beginning of the novel.<br \/>\nOne cannot simply play god and not pay the consequences. I believe that the deaths of Victor's loved ones is some sort of repercussion for creating a monster and ironically, it is the monster who does away with his family.<br \/>\nWhile i definitely think Victor is very flawed and very at fault for the deaths in his family, I cannot find it in me to call him a monster. He is more of an antihero who is really more good than evil. It is clear after creating the monster that he is remorseful and that he loves his family very much. &quot;I was destined to become the most wretched of human beings&quot; (68). On more than one occasssion he attempts to fight a battle against the monster he knows will kill him. He is that desperate to find redemption even in the slightest way and for that I see good in him.","dateCreated":"1345658668","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"GARRETTM20","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/GARRETTM20","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55904993","body":"I think before Frankenstein actually created the being, he should have thought through what could possibly happen. He was too excited about his creation to realize what he was actually doing, &quot;I had desired it with an ardour that far exceeded moderation; but now that I had finished, the beauty of the dream vanished, and breathless horror and disgust filled my heart&quot; (42). It is Frankenstein's fault that the monster is brought into an unaccepting world. And even after the creature was created, he should have taken responsibility for his actions and figured out a way to fix the problem instead of running away in fear. The monster is forced into a society who does not accept him whatsoever and I don't blame him for being so miserable. I think he took it to the extreme though in killing all of those that were close to Victor. Has anyone ever thought about how it would have turned out if Frankenstein finished the similarly built companion for the monster? I think it actually could have been successful and saved both the monster and Frankenstein a lot of despair in the future.","dateCreated":"1345676269","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"CAYLAM1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/CAYLAM1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55906331","body":"In my opinion, there is never a clear protagonist for any extended period of time. We sympathize with the Dr. because of his heartbreak and loss, and share in his excitement to provide science with a boon to mankind. However, we also sympathize with, and at least in my case, wish that the monster would find happiness and companionship. After the monster destroys Frankenstein, he reveals his anguish at the deed and his emotions that blinded him into cruel action. This again  leads the reader to sympathize with him [the monster] and at the end of the novel, we feel confused at who is really the protagonist, the created or the creator. They have both redeeming and damning qualities, and I think that it is up to the reader's preference who the protagonist is.","dateCreated":"1345681118","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"JOELK3","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/JOELK3","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55907953","body":"Frankenstein when making his creature imagined the creature to be a work of art but instead it turned into a monster and destroyed his life.  The monster was the source of many deaths which eneded up making Frankenstein physically ill.  Frankstein even said once he saw his creature, &quot;the beauty of the dream vanished&quot; (42).  Taking one look at his very own creation Frankenstein was horrified and knew that his creation was ultimately a monster and would only do harm.","dateCreated":"1345685511","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"MORGANL23","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MORGANL23","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55908543","body":"While I was reading Frankenstein I was also wondering who the real protagonist and antagonist was. I did some searching online and many people said Frankenstein was the protagonist and the monster was the antagonist. I agree with Charlotte, that in the end it was Frankenstein who created his monster, the reason his family members died was his creation, he brought it into the world.","dateCreated":"1345687376","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"TAYLORU","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/TAYLORU","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":9}]},{"id":"55686400","dateCreated":"1344393252","smartDate":"Aug 7, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"BEATRICEC13","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/BEATRICEC13","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/mhsap2012.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/55686400"},"dateDigested":1532653236,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Myth of Prometheus","description":"According to the myth of the Titan god of forethought, Prometheus deceives Zeus by stealing fire from the heavens and transporting it to mankind through a fennel-stalk. As punishment, Zeus chains Prometheus to Mount Kaukasos and sends an eagle to pluck at his everlasting liver.  Just as the second title of Frankenstein states, it is a modern story of this myth.  The similarities are extremely evident, first off comparing Prometheus to Frankenstein.  Just as Prometheus strives to prove his power by stealing fire to give to the mortals, Frankenstein creates a monster in order to establish his power and intelligence.  Prometheus\u2019s punishment of eternal suffering directly relates to Doctor Frankenstein\u2019s perpetual resentment and guilt in placing a killer in the world.  Frankenstein explains his extreme anguish as he considers \u201cthe being whom I had cast among mankind, and endowed with the will and power to effect purposes of horror\u2026nearly in the light of my own vampire, my own spirit let loose from the grave, and forced to destroy all that was dear to me\u201d (80).  Mary Shelly, the author of Frankenstein, must then equate Doctor Frankenstein\u2019s pain of knowing he is ultimately responsible for the death of William and Justine to that of an eagle eating away at one\u2019s liver every day.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"55696602","body":"I totally agree with that, it makes sense that like Prometheus tried to help mankind be better so does Frankenstein. the two then share the same despair and hatred at one object\/person for their misfortunes. On page 175 victor says &quot;i felt i had no right to share in their intercourse. i had unchained an enemy among them whose joy it was to shed their blood and to revel in their groans.&quot;, which is how Prometheus felt (and punished for also) since the fire made mankind smarter than allowed and some grew violent from his &quot;gift&quot; just as people grew violent against the monster which was Victor's gift.","dateCreated":"1344462957","smartDate":"Aug 8, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"SAMMANTHAM","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SAMMANTHAM","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55844061","body":"I think that's a wonderful connection. What's most agonizing is that Frankenstein is the only one who knows about the creature's existence. In turn he has to deal with this inner conflict where he knows who the murderer is but cannot reveal him without revealing himself: &quot;I well knew that if any other had communicated such a relation to me, I should have looked upon it as the ravings of insanity.&quot; Who is going to believe a monster killed his brother when they have a physical suspect ready to try? Frankenstein's state of mind can only worsen, especially when he is the creator of a murderer; he created the murderer of his brother. Not only is he guilty of that account, he feels guilt for the false accusation of Justine.","dateCreated":"1345332727","smartDate":"Aug 18, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"MIRANDASH","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MIRANDASH","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1338145797\/MIRANDASH-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55899673","body":"What's really interesting about the connection are the images that illude to the story. The fire Prometheus stole from the heavens could be represented by the lightning that gave life to the monster. And the deception of Zeus could be Frankenstein's gaining of knowledge of all branches of science much like the knowledge of a higher power. Sort of like he is trying to become a god himself. Also the plucking of the liver could be Frankenstein's self conflict or the fact that after he knew what he had done he became very ill. He cannot live with himself knowing that &quot;torn by remorse, horror, and despair, I beheld those I loved spend vain sorrow upon the graves of William and Justine, the first hapless victims to my unhallowed arts&quot; (73).<br \/>\n<br \/>\nAnd this is off topic but Justine met an unjust death. Did Mary Shelley name her Justine because the monster was responsible for her unjust death? Was it supposed to be an ironic emphansis on Frankenstein's curse and punishment?","dateCreated":"1345655289","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"MEGANY2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MEGANY2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"55666788","dateCreated":"1344280696","smartDate":"Aug 6, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"SAMANTHAC76","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SAMANTHAC76","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/mhsap2012.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/55666788"},"dateDigested":1532653236,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"knowledge","description":"I have found that knowledge is significant in both Never Let Me Go and Frankenstein. In Never Let Me Go, there is the debate of whether the donator's knowing their true fate is worth knowing or not. Ruth likes to believe in things, while other characters are determined to find out the truth.<br \/>\nIn Frankenstein, knowledge is what seems to be destroying the monster. In his story that he tells to his creator, the monster says, &quot;'Increase of knowledge only discovered to me more clearly what a wretched outcast I was'&quot; (Shelley 130). Is it really worth finding out the truth when it just damages one's self esteem and, ultimately, their life? <br \/>\nAlso, in Letter IV, the writer says, &quot;One man's life or death were but a small price to pay for the acquirement of the knowledge which I sought,&quot; which further depicts how knowledge has its consequences (23).","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"55809527","body":"Frankenstein and his creation were alike in their thirst for knowledge. They both wanted to learn new things. Frankenstein wanted to create life that would benefit the world. &quot;until from the midst of this darkness life to death, and death to life, until from the midst of this darkness a sudden light broke in upon me-a light so brilliant and wondrous,yet so simple, that while I became dizzy with the  immensity of the prospect which it illustrated,&quot;(476). Then with his creation, Frankenstein feared him and referred to him as a demon and regretted his knowledge and success.  Then his creation fell into the same problem with knowledge he thirsted for it but in the end it just made him much more unhappy, because the more he learned the more  he realized he was.","dateCreated":"1345086960","smartDate":"Aug 15, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"ALEXD27","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ALEXD27","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55820607","body":"I find it interesting how both books portray knowledge. Generally, knowledge is seen as a good thing that will better people as they advance in life. However in Never Let Me Go and Frankenstein, knowledge is seen as a bad thing. In Never Let Me Go, as the students get older and learn more and especially as they become carers or donors, they seem to become more and more upset and unhappy with what they learned. In Frankenstein, Victor is unhappy with the knowledge that he gained from creating life and the monster is unhappy as he learns that he is so different from people and that he will never be accepted. In these instances, the people who gain knowledge seem to be worse than they were when they were ignorant.","dateCreated":"1345155021","smartDate":"Aug 16, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"ZACHM21","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ZACHM21","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55842011","body":"In Never Let Me Go, Kathy states that perhaps the reason for Tommy's temper tantrums as a child was because he always in a way knew about what his fate was to be.  &quot;I was thinking maybe the reason you used to get like that was because at some level you always knew&quot; (169).  Thoughts?","dateCreated":"1345311859","smartDate":"Aug 18, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KELSEYA1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KELSEYA1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55849179","body":"Knowledge is the center of both Never Let Me Go and Frankenstein. The monster would have never been created if Frankenstein did not desire to learn as much as he could. Also none of the main characters in Never Let Me Go would have existed if the world did not push the limits of science in the pursuit of knowledge.","dateCreated":"1345398966","smartDate":"Aug 19, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"EMILYO12","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/EMILYO12","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55884467","body":"I agree that knowledge is the center of both novels. In Never Let Me Go Kathy strived to know more and more about why they were different from the rest of the world and why Madame seemed afraid of the students. She often pondered what made them different and tried to find solutions. The same thing happens in Frankenstein. He begins knowing nothing else but the basics of life. But after the monster is abandoned he goes out into the world and is curious about why people are afraid and why he has been abandoned.","dateCreated":"1345594416","smartDate":"Aug 21, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"JENNAG4","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/JENNAG4","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55900105","body":"I think in Frankenstein knowledge is portrayed as something to be feared. Frankenstein, the monster, and even Walton are made miserable by their quest for knowledge. Frankenstein strived to learn about animation and the creation of life. This quest led to the deaths of his wife, best friend, brother, and father. The monster seeks knowledge about the world around him. To fulfill this quest, he learns the language of humans and learns their history. Through this, the monster realizes how he is viewed by humans and is caused great distress. Even Walton is tortured by his quest for knowledge as on his quest to discover things no one has yet discovered lead him to loneliness and isolation. The quote \u201cyou seek for knowledge and wisdom, as I once did; and I ardently hope that the gratification of your wishes may not be a serpent to sting you, as mine has been\u201d was spoken to Walton by Frankenstein early in the novel. This foreshadowed how knowledge, and the quest of it, continually lead to sorrow and suffering throughout the story.","dateCreated":"1345657054","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"ALEXANDERF1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ALEXANDERF1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55900195","body":"I agree with Taylor. Knowing how to create life made him miserable. He was always haunted by the life he created. Victor also studied all that he could, even when he was told to stop, he wouldn't and eventually he learned what he wanted to learn and he found out that it was the worst choice of his life. the monster learned that humans don't like things that look out of the ordinanry and he hated that. As the saying goes, &quot;curiosity killed the cat.&quot; In this case, it killed at least 3.","dateCreated":"1345657264","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"NICHOLASW8","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/NICHOLASW8","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55907909","body":"Both &quot;Never Let Me Go&quot; and Frankenstein have recurring themes about knowledge. In &quot;Never Let Me Go&quot;, lack of knowledge and innocence went hand in hand. It was better that the children at Hailsham did not know their fate, because they would have felt hopeless. Once they learn that they cannot get a deferral, all hope is lost. Frankenstein addresses this same concept.<br \/>\n<br \/>\n&quot;Learn from me, if not by my precepts, at least by my example, how dangerous is the acquirement of knowledge, and how much happier that man is who believes his native town to be the world, than he who aspires to become greater than his nature will allow&quot; (Shelley 47).","dateCreated":"1345685419","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"LAURAF9","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/LAURAF9","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55908437","body":"I agree that knowledge is a very important part of Frankenstein. Victor seeks ultimate knowledge, and sacrifices the comfort of the realm of known knowledge in his respective pursuits. Frankenstein's monster wondered about why people saw him they way they did, he listened in to learn things and gain knowledge he seeked. &quot;What may not be expected in a country of eternal light?&quot; This quote confused me, but i like the sense of wondering, wanting to know more.","dateCreated":"1345687088","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"TAYLORU","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/TAYLORU","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55908853","body":"I thought it was interesting how in both stories, the reader has a lack of knowledge. For example, Victor never tells Walton (or the reader) how he created the monster. He tells him, &quot;I see by your eagerness, and the wonder and hope which your eyes express, my friend, that you expect to be informed of the secret with which I am acquainted. This cannot be&quot;(38). And at the beginning of Never Let Me Go, the reader has no clue as to what a &quot;doner&quot; or &quot;carer&quot; or anything that Kathy talks about is.","dateCreated":"1345688376","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"WENDYP8","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/WENDYP8","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55908967","body":"I found Frankenstein's quest for knowledge intriguing. At first it's a great thing, and he achieves his goal, then sees that is not exactly as he had planned. &quot;It was the secrets of heaven and earth that I desired to learn; and whether it was the outward substance of things, or the inner spirit of nature and the mysterious soul of man that occupied me, still my inquiries were directed to the metaphysical, or, in its highest sense, the physical secrets of the world&quot; (34). This hunger for knowledge ended up causing the death of everyone close to him.","dateCreated":"1345688661","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"LUKEO1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/LUKEO1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55909367","body":"I think that knowledge in both of the books were the characters downfall because the more they knew they unhappier it made them. It is an example of the saying ingnorance is bliss because for Kathy and Tommy,  as well as Frankensteins monster, knowledge only brought them sadness and it gave them the feeling of hopelessness which none of this would have happened if they did not know in the first place.","dateCreated":"1345689852","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KIMBERLYG8","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KIMBERLYG8","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":4}]},{"id":"55607824","dateCreated":"1343790650","smartDate":"Jul 31, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"CAROLINEC13","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/CAROLINEC13","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/mhsap2012.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/55607824"},"dateDigested":1532653237,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Self Analysis","description":"In Frankenstein, self analysis is stumbled across by Victor Frankenstein when he creates the monster. Ridden with disgust towards himself, he cannot believe that he pursued the need to exceed human limits to the extreme and proclaims, \u201cHow can I describe my emotions at this catastrophe, or how delineate the wretch whom with such infinite pains and care I had endeavored to form?\u201d (42). Not only is Dr. Frankenstein horrified with what he has done, but his creation itself is repulsed by the monster he sees in the water\u2019s reflection. Only anger, regret, and self-loathing are ignited when the creator and the creation realize what they truly are.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"55786166","body":"Along with Frankenstein\u2019s self analysis, his monster also undergoes a tremendous self examination.  He explains to Walton, \u201cIt is true that I am a wretch.  I have murdered the lovely and the helpless; I have strangled the innocent as they slept and grasped to death his throat who never injured me or any other living thing\u201d (251).  Although the monster believes that he is a dreadful murderer, he continually feels sorry for himself, as if he has an excuse for his atrocious acts.  Frankenstein\u2019s monster whines about his creator making him wait \u201chours and months of misery which I endured wasting in impotent passions\u2026 Was there no injustice in this?\u201d (251). He hates his creator for not producing a companion for him to spend his life with.  Throughout the monsters life, he sees numerous sides to his personality.  He started his life with an open mind, just wanting to fit in.  Once rejected by mankind, a daemon triggered inside of him that created a jealous murderer.  He continually feels sorry for himself because his creator brought him into life with no companion.","dateCreated":"1344993843","smartDate":"Aug 14, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"BEATRICEC13","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/BEATRICEC13","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55798854","body":"Frankenstien shares continuously about how he has completely changed as a person since creating the monster. When he goes to travel with Clerval, to make the companion, Frankenstein points out that Clerval is similar to his old, happy self by stating &quot;But in Clerval I saw the image of my former self&quot;(141). He then openly admits creating the monster has completely changed him, doomed for a life of sorrow and worry.","dateCreated":"1345067755","smartDate":"Aug 15, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KARMINF","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KARMINF","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55867219","body":"I agree with Beatrice. The monster realizes what he is doing is wrong and he feels sorry for himself and that he did it. &quot;No guilt, no mischief, no malignity, no misery, can be found comparable to mine&quot; (211). The monster admits that he has done wrong and he knows that he cannot be forgiven for his sins.","dateCreated":"1345499802","smartDate":"Aug 20, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"CHRISTINAY3","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/CHRISTINAY3","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1309982027\/CHRISTINAY3-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55867297","body":"&quot;For while I destroyed his hopes, I did not satisfy my own desires. They were forever ardent and craving; still I desired love and fellowship, and I was still spurned&quot; ( 211). The monster knows that he has disappointed his creator, Frankenstin. And he realizes that he did not get any satisifaction out of his sins. He just wanted to be loved and accepted but he now sees that he will never be accepted or forgiven after all he has done.","dateCreated":"1345500084","smartDate":"Aug 20, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"CHRISTINAY3","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/CHRISTINAY3","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1309982027\/CHRISTINAY3-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55884895","body":"When the monster was observing Felix and Safie he inwardly compared himself to them. He saw himself as,&quot; hideously deformed and loathsome; I was not even of the same nature as man&quot;(107) The Monster realized that he had acquired knowledge but through that he was in agony wondering why he was created and if he was even a human. This self analysis led him to despair.","dateCreated":"1345595723","smartDate":"Aug 21, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"HANNAHU95","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/HANNAHU95","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55904741","body":"I agree that the monster pities himself in the end despite the numerous murders and crimes he committed in order to get his revenge. He says, &quot;am I to be thought the only criminal, when all humankind sinned against me?&quot; (204). I think the monster knows that what he did was wrong, but he sounds just like every other human being that tries to justify the wrongful actions by mentioning all of the other people who have done something equally as wrong. The monster's self image is one of wretchedness and despair but he uses this as his justification.","dateCreated":"1345675403","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"CAYLAM1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/CAYLAM1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"55599632","dateCreated":"1343755691","smartDate":"Jul 31, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"MILANP00","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MILANP00","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/mhsap2012.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/55599632"},"dateDigested":1532653237,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"creator","description":"The scientist tries to play a role of creator or in another sense tries to imitate god and play his role by creating life.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"55657484","body":"I disagree with Milan because I don't think Victor was trying to play the role of God, I just think that he was so fascinated in creating something that is beyond others ability. This is an interesting topic because as mentioned above, Frankenstein's creation ends up having control over the creator. At the beginning of the novel Frankenstein is so engaged in bringing his creation to life that he doesn't even think of the possible outcome. When the two are brought together again, his creation says, &quot;Remember, thou hast made me more powerful than thyself; my height is superior to thine, my joints more supple. But I will not be tempted to set myself in opposition to thee. I am thy creature, and I will be even mild and docile to my natural lord and king if thou wilt also perform thy part, the which thou owest me&quot; (81). The monster reminds Victor that he is able to control the power of what happens because he was made bigger and stronger than humans.","dateCreated":"1344212911","smartDate":"Aug 5, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"MCKENZIEG2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MCKENZIEG2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55669316","body":"I also disagree with Milan. I think Victor's motive to create the creature is for personal gain. He wanted to prove to himself that he could create something unique and far superior to all others. The intention was not to act as God, but to prove himself and his abilities. Besides, as stated, Victor loses total control over the monster and the monster basically controls him instead. Victor in a sense allows his creation to rule him by giving in to the creatures demands, not thinking of the possible outcomes and eventually is his cause of death. He even says &quot;You are my creator, but I am your master; obey!&quot; (157). Obviously, Victor loses total control over his own creation and is overpowered, essentially losing himself.","dateCreated":"1344293112","smartDate":"Aug 6, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"JUNEW17","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/JUNEW17","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55768294","body":"agree with June that Victor was not necessarily trying to play God or anything, but  rather just got a little obsessed with his work \u201cfor the sole purpose of infusing life into an inanimate body\u201d (42). I believe that Victor did not have any ill intentions for creating the creature, he was just utterly wrapped up in it. He makes it clear when he says \u201cNow that I had finished, the beauty of the dream vanished, and breathless horror and disgust filled my heart\u201d (42).  He just needed to finish what he had started, and made it his main goal, even over his own health and well-being.","dateCreated":"1344892288","smartDate":"Aug 13, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"DANIELT4","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/DANIELT4","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55768656","body":"I agree with Daniel, I think that Victor wants to finish what he started but I think it\u2019s because he wants to Pioneer a new way, or be a leader for his ideas. In chapter 3 he states, &quot;I will pioneer a new way, explore unknown powers, and unfold to the world the deepest mysteries of creation&quot; Victor wants to do something that will inspire others with the science that inspired him throughout his life.","dateCreated":"1344894639","smartDate":"Aug 13, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"TAYLORH34","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/TAYLORH34","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1317601319\/TAYLORH34-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55782420","body":"Victor views science as a mystery that he not only wants but feels required to delve into.  Science is like the gateway to another point in time and space and Victor is like Mcfly.   &quot;The world was to me a secret which I desired to divine. Curiosity, earnest research to learn the hidden laws of nature, gladness akin to rapture, as they were unfolded to me, are among the earliest sensations I can remember.&quot;","dateCreated":"1344975276","smartDate":"Aug 14, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"JOEH8","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/JOEH8","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1304429459\/JOEH8-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55846129","body":"I do not believe that Victor was trying to play God, but what was he trying to do? The monster did not necessarily want to be created, or not that he did not want to, but that he was never asked: &quot;Did I request thee, Maker, from my clay to mould me Man, did I solicit thee from darkness to promote me?&quot; (98). It was not the monster's choice to be created, nor did he have any say in the matter. So in a way, I suppose, Victor was perhaps playing God. Though I do not think he was meaning to.","dateCreated":"1345352281","smartDate":"Aug 18, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KENTONA","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KENTONA","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1345307249\/KENTONA-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55862339","body":"I agree that Victor wasn't tying to play God but he played it and then he couldn't live with consequences of his actions.","dateCreated":"1345474948","smartDate":"Aug 20, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"ERINJ2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ERINJ2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55878426","body":"One thing that I cannot stand about Dr. Frankenstein is that he created this monster (as a science experiment, not for the purpose of being a creator and &quot;playing God&quot;), then he doesn't take responsibility for it.  This is like releasing a zoo animal into the wild and expecting it to be fine.  He created a monster, didn't &quot;train&quot; it to fit in with society, but let it go and learn for himself.  I don't understand why he didn't teach him or let him in on how society is.  He didn't even warn him that people were going to be afraid of him, which I think is tough for the monster, because he can't see what he did wrong to make people so afraid.  All he sees is people running from him because of his horrid appearance, but he will never know why or how to explain himself because he was never told or taught.","dateCreated":"1345563271","smartDate":"Aug 21, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KATHERINEA2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KATHERINEA2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1289436703\/KATHERINEA2-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55894327","body":"I think Victor tried to play God, and realized that it was a bad idea. In chapter ten, the good doctor says, &quot;I ought to be thy Adam; but I am rather the fallen angel.&quot; So at least he recognized that what he had done was an evil of sorts.","dateCreated":"1345640671","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"SHANET14","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SHANET14","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55900907","body":"I don't think Victor tried to play God, however I agree with Katie that he does not take any responsibility for what he created. But, Victor did feel a sense of regret once he realized all the damage the monster has done, &quot;Great God! If for one instant I had thought what might be the hellish intention of my fiendish adversary, I would rather have banished myself forever from my native country and wandered a friendless outcast over the earth than have consented to this miserable marriage. But, as if possessed of magic powers, the monster had blinded me to his real intentions; and when I thought that I had prepared only my own death, I hastened that of a far dearer victim&quot; (169). Victor is confused by the monster (his creation) and is greif-stricken by the horrifying things that have occured, so he has the right to be angry at the monster, but also must realize that he is partially to blame for his downfall.","dateCreated":"1345659662","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"HAYLIEC1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/HAYLIEC1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55905481","body":"Like it is discussed similarly in the thread of Playing God, Victor, even though he may not have the intentions of playing the role of a higher power or God, may be tampering with the lives of others too much which thus poses a huge moral issue in the book. This evidence is closely revealed when at the end of Chapter 8 &quot;I beheld those I loved spend vain sorrow upon the graves of William and Justine, the first hapless victims to my unhallowed arts&quot; (94).","dateCreated":"1345678229","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"AUSTINW3","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/AUSTINW3","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55910623","body":"I don't believe Victor's intentions were to play God. Something ironic about Victor is that while he is undoubtably a genius in the science field, he is seriously lacking in common sense and foresight. I believe that Victor began work on the monster originally as a science experiment, thinking more about furthering the scientific community than about the future of the life that he was so carelessly creating. When the monster actually comes to life, Victor panics and flees the scene, leaving the monster alone to fend for himself. This is one of the main reasons the monster feels so much like an outcast among humans; even his own creator flees at the sight of him. Comparing his situation to his &quot;protectors&quot; situation brings his loneliness in the world to the forefront of his mind, making him wonder &quot;Was I, then, a monster, a blot upon the earth, from which all men fled and whom all men disowned?&quot; (108).","dateCreated":"1345694116","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KELSEYM6","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KELSEYM6","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1317175748\/KELSEYM6-lg.jpg"}}],"more":3}]},{"id":"55530726","dateCreated":"1343248577","smartDate":"Jul 25, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"JESSICAM27","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/JESSICAM27","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1338940375\/JESSICAM27-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/mhsap2012.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/55530726"},"dateDigested":1532653238,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Fear of being accepted","description":"This topic comes up a lot in the novel. When victor listens to the monsters tale, the monster talks a lot about the fear of being accepted by the villagers and Felix and Agatha. He &quot; formed in my imagination a thousand pictures of presenting myself to them, and their reception of me&quot; (86). Even as he is telling the story to Victor he is still trying to be accepted by Victor","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"55797618","body":"Okay, me being the broadway geek that I am, the monster's need for acceptance reminds me of the phantom's need for acceptance in The Phantom of the Opera. For those who aren't familiar with the production, a boy named Erik is in a travelling circus and is an attraction called &quot;The Devil's Child&quot; due to having a disfigured face. He ends up killing the &quot;ringmaster,&quot; if you will, and escapes the circus with the help of a young ballerina, who hides him in the catacombs of the opera house. Erik grows up to become the composer of all the productions put on by the opera house and earns the label of &quot;phantom&quot; or &quot;opera ghost.&quot; He rarely emerges from the catacombs of the opera house due to his disformity, which he hides by wearing a mask. He eventually develops an obsession with one of the ballet dancers named Christine Daae, who is able to see past the phantom's disformity. But when she falls in love with her childhood friend, Raoul, he turns to violence and kills when his demands are not met by the owners of the opera house. Anyway, this and Frankenstien's monster are related in that when they don't recieve the love and acceptance they want, they turn to violence because they feel that no one will ever accept them.","dateCreated":"1345060910","smartDate":"Aug 15, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KRISTINES3","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KRISTINES3","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55799006","body":"I love Kristine's comparison of the monster to the phantom. Both character's are disgusted by their own appearances and taught to live in fear of society because they know that they will never be accepted as human. They both play compassionate characters torn down by their disfigurements and turn to revenge against humans for causing them so much pain.","dateCreated":"1345068741","smartDate":"Aug 15, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"HEATHERC2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/HEATHERC2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55809013","body":"I found it interesting how Frankenstein's creation was always wanting to be friends and interact with people. He did understand though how people are afraid of him due to his monstrous form. Especially when he found the cottagers. He silently watched them and learned knowledge from them. That to him was a blessing and a curse. Because the more he learned the more he figured out that he will always be an outcast.  And that there are no other creatures like himself. The creation then decided he will try to talk to the blind man. Even though it took him a while to finally bring himself to talk to the man. He was afraid of being judged. He finally decided to because the man cannot judge him by his appearance. &quot;They are kind-they are the most excellent creatures in the world; but, unfortunately , they are prejudiced against me.  I have good dispositions; my life has been hitherto harmless, and in some degree beneficial; but a fatal prejudice clouds their eyes, and where they ought to see a feeling and kind friend, they behold only a detestable monster&quot;(561). The old man thought he was just a traveler, but when Felix, Agatha, and Safie returned they panicked and were terrified. Felix even attacked him. After this The creation was forced into the fact he will never truly be accepted by man.  And that he will always be alone, leading him into hatred and violence.","dateCreated":"1345084693","smartDate":"Aug 15, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"ALEXD27","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ALEXD27","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55846031","body":"The monster truly only wants to be normal and to be accepted, although everyone only criticizes him and deems him a monster before they even get to know him. While on the outside he is perhaps a disgusting, horrifying abomination, on the inside he is the gentlest of creatures. All he wants is to learn and be a normal person of society.","dateCreated":"1345351365","smartDate":"Aug 18, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KENTONA","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KENTONA","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1345307249\/KENTONA-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55867039","body":"I also really like Kristen's comparison to the Phantom of the Opera. It also reminds me of Beauty and the Beast or Shrek. But seeing as those are family films, they do not kill. But in Beauty and the Beast, the beast hids from the world in his castle because he knows that he isn't accepted by the towns people, with the exception of Bell and he keeps her as his prisioner. And the same thing goes for Shrek. He doesn't nessecarily hid from people but he does not like to leave his swamp. And he uses his appearance to his advatage to scare people away. The monster, the beast, and Shrek all just want to be accepted in the world but because of their scary appearances people don't like them so they become mean and lonely and seek revenge in their own ways.","dateCreated":"1345498900","smartDate":"Aug 20, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"CHRISTINAY3","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/CHRISTINAY3","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1309982027\/CHRISTINAY3-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55901395","body":"To me, this is what makes the monster somewhat human. Everybody wants to be liked whether they act like they do or not. I like how Christina compared the monster to beauty and the beast and shrek. The monster is taking revenge on mankind, but I interpret it as a way for him to interact with mankind in some way shape or form, even if it his harmfull to them or even himself. I really think, even after the monster declared his hatred for mankind and especially Victor, that he would keep his earlier promise, &quot;If any being felt emotions of benevolence towards me, I should return them a hundred and a hundredfold&quot; (148).","dateCreated":"1345661626","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"GARRETTM20","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/GARRETTM20","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55905249","body":"I think the monster is a human. If you really think about it the only thing different about him and normal people is the fact he looks like a monster. He always tries to do the right thing and he never wanted to hurt people until he felt he had no other choice because of the rejection of his creator, Victor.","dateCreated":"1345677331","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"ERINJ2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ERINJ2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55908015","body":"I thought the monster was human because he wanted to be accepted by humans.  Everyone always looks for acceptance from others and that is a trait that makes everyone human.  The monster just wanted to be like everyone else and truely he felt like he was just like all the humans and the only difference between him and humans was the way that he looked.  The monster waqs even rejected by his very own creature.","dateCreated":"1345685742","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"MORGANL23","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MORGANL23","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55908617","body":"I found it interesting when Frankenstein said &quot;Did I request thee, Maker, from my clay, to mould me Man, did I solicit thee. From darkness to promote me?&quot; The monster just wants to be accepted by his creator but instead Frankenstein runs from him like many others, I believe he wants to be accepted but at the same time if fearful of it, afraid that he will get hurt in the end.","dateCreated":"1345687610","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"TAYLORU","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/TAYLORU","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55908993","body":"TAYLORU makes a good point, I believe that quote was very important. &quot;I had saved a human being from destruction, and as a recompense I now wither under the miserable pain of a wound which shattered the flesh and bone. The feelings of kindness and gentleness which I had entertained just a few moments before gave place to hellish rage and gnashing of teeth. Inflamed by pain, I vowed eternal hatred and vengeance to all mankind&quot; This is another good quote that shows that the monster wanted to be accepted, but instead learns that he cannot be, simply because of what he is.","dateCreated":"1345688744","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"JAMESB00","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/JAMESB00","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1288998772\/JAMESB00-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55910127","body":"I like the comparisons  to Phantom of the Opera, Sherk and Beauty and the Beast.  Like these other misforunes, the monster knows since he is horribly grotesque looking, people will not accept him.He says, &quot;I cherished hope [of people accepting him], it's true, but i vanished when I beheld my person in the water&quot; (120). It is sad to think that because of the way he looks people will attack him or scream and run.  Even though he has a fine intellect, people will never know due to his appearance.","dateCreated":"1345692470","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KAYLAH95","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KAYLAH95","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"55910589","body":"I agree with Charlotte. This novel is great evidence that companionship is necessary--not only for humans, however. One would think a monster is just that--a monster with no human feelings or tendencies. However, the need for companionship within the monster is very real. The monster himself is partially a result of Frankenstein's need for companionship (along with his love of science). Had the monster not threatened to appear on Frankenstein's wedding night, he would have found all his happiness in his union to Elizabeth. He writes to her, &quot;I fear, my beloved girl,   little happiness remains for us on earth; yet all that I may one day enjoy is centered in you&quot; (180).","dateCreated":"1345694026","smartDate":"Aug 22, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"KALIJ","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/KALIJ","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":7}]}],"more":true},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}